emilie hope
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Post by emilie hope on Jun 1, 2009 9:54:22 GMT -5
Both of the finalists are very talented, but the thing with dance groups is that after a while they just start doing the same old moves and it gets boring. With a singer, they can change up their game anytime (depending on just how talented Susan really is).
At least Britain's got more talent than America. Their show is much more diverse and better than America's, in my opinion.
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Post by IchBinRory on Jun 1, 2009 9:58:29 GMT -5
Both of the finalists are very talented, but the thing with dance groups is that after a while they just start doing the same old moves and it gets boring. With a singer, they can change up their game anytime (depending on just how talented Susan really is). At least Britain's got more talent than America. Their show is much more diverse and better than America's, in my opinion. Diversity actually have been reinventing themselves the whole way through this show. They've done about 3 performances now. Each with a different style.
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Post by Andreas on Jun 1, 2009 11:21:12 GMT -5
I like Susan Boyle, although I don't think that she's an outstanding singer. But I think she just showed once again how much we judge people on their looks. Honestly, it's hypocritical to like her just because she can sing pretty well, although she's not *that* beautiful. (I don't think she's ugly) Her new popularity and the pressure that was put on her was definitely too much for her, though. I only watched her performance and the performance of the winner, and well, Diversity was pretty lame from my point of view. But that's probably because I'm not really into that whatever-they-did-stuff
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Post by Svetlana on Jun 1, 2009 14:25:35 GMT -5
I liked Diversity and SuBo was really overly dramatic on this last show so I guess people just got fed up of her... I dunno. I didn't like Diversity too much either tho... does that make sense??. I preferred little Hollie Steel.
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Post by Bradford on Jun 2, 2009 2:21:29 GMT -5
I preferred little Hollie Steel. Oh, please they should have an age limit to these talent shows, she is just, what, 6 I blame her overly ambitious parents who obviously will put their daughter thru everything just to be rich and famous.
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Post by IchBinRory on Jun 2, 2009 6:45:20 GMT -5
I preferred little Hollie Steel. Oh, please they should have an age limit to these talent shows, she is just, what, 6 I blame her overly ambitious parents who obviously will put their daughter thru everything just to be rich and famous. 10.
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Post by Svetlana on Jun 2, 2009 12:19:54 GMT -5
I preferred little Hollie Steel. Oh, please they should have an age limit to these talent shows, she is just, what, 6 I blame her overly ambitious parents who obviously will put their daughter thru everything just to be rich and famous. She's 10 and SHE asked to do it, SHE wanted it. Besides, it does her no harm to have a chance to learn what it's like on stage. I've been performing since the age of 4 in Am-dram and am soon to do my first professional show. There's NOTHING wrong with starting early. It was her choice so I guess you should have checked her interviews!
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 2, 2009 12:26:17 GMT -5
Oh, please they should have an age limit to these talent shows, she is just, what, 6 I blame her overly ambitious parents who obviously will put their daughter thru everything just to be rich and famous. She's 10 and SHE asked to do it, SHE wanted it. And she, Hollie Steel, should have parents with enough brains to tell her "no". Besides, you weren't puted on National Television with her age, you aren't knowned as her become with this. With 10 you were just an unknowned kid who liked to perform some things. She has the pression of the entire country's eyes upon her. Unfortunatly exploiting kids on TV is becoming a tradition. We have also a programm here on TV where they put kids singing on a Sunday night until 1am when the kids have school the next day at 8:30am... If it depended on me no one under the age of 16 would be allowed in such contests.
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Post by IchBinRory on Jun 2, 2009 14:10:59 GMT -5
She's 10 and SHE asked to do it, SHE wanted it. And she should have parents with enough brains to tell her "no". Besides, you weren't puted on National Television with her age, you aren't knowned as her become with this. With 10 you were just an unknowned kid who liked to perform some things. She has the pression of the entire country's eyes upon her. Unfortunatly exploiting kids on TV is becoming a tradition. We have also a programm here on TV where they put kids singing on a Sunday night until 1am when the kids have school the next day at 8:30am... If it depended on me no one under the age of 16 would be allowed in such contests. Unfortunately, I disagree. I would really hope my parents would never hold me back from a career I wanted. Also I'm pretty sure Britain's got talent wasn't about when Svetlana was under 16. I'm sure if Sveltana wanted she could have had an amazing career in her youth, she just never had an opportunity like Britains got Talent. If the child is forced into it, it's exploitation. If the child wants to do it, then its not, anyway, wouldn't you like them to follow its dreams? And thank god its not up to you. You'd basically just have killed any dreams a young performer has.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 2, 2009 14:58:53 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I disagree. I would really hope my parents would never hold me back from a career I wanted. Also I'm pretty sure Britain's got talent wasn't about when Svetlana was under 16. I'm sure if Sveltana wanted she could have had an amazing career in her youth, she just never had an opportunity like Britains got Talent. If the child is forced into it, it's exploitation. If the child wants to do it, then its not, anyway, wouldn't you like them to follow its dreams? And thank god its not up to you. You'd basically just have killed any dreams a young performer has. When you are that age you DON'T KNOW what you want. With that age what you have to do is get a good education and play with other kids. Not "start a career". If a child dreams to become a scientist will you give them a chemical pack? I don't think so (if you like the house you live in anyway). Dreams are things to follow when you grow and get enough mental capacity to know what's possible and what's not. Thank God there are many parents that "kill any dreams a young performer has" though I call that "have in mind the best for their kids, and the best is not giving them all they want. Those who do create little brats instead of people."
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Post by IchBinRory on Jun 2, 2009 15:36:42 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I disagree. I would really hope my parents would never hold me back from a career I wanted. Also I'm pretty sure Britain's got talent wasn't about when Svetlana was under 16. I'm sure if Sveltana wanted she could have had an amazing career in her youth, she just never had an opportunity like Britains got Talent. If the child is forced into it, it's exploitation. If the child wants to do it, then its not, anyway, wouldn't you like them to follow its dreams? And thank god its not up to you. You'd basically just have killed any dreams a young performer has. When you are that age you DON'T KNOW what you want. With that age what you have to do is get a good education and play with other kids. Not "start a career". If a child dreams to become a scientist will you give them a chemical pack? I don't think so (if you like the house you live in anyway). Dreams are things to follow when you grow and get enough mental capacity to know what's possible and what's not. Thank God there are many parents that "kill any dreams a young performer has" though I call that "have in mind the best for their kids, and the best is not giving them all they want. Those who do create little brats instead of people." Really? How come I've always wanted to be a performer from age 8? You must have had a very dismal child hood if thats what you think of dreams. Maybe your parents didn't encourage your passions, but you CANNOT apply the same situation to everyone. Everyone is unique and everyone has unique cases.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 2, 2009 16:08:32 GMT -5
Really? How come I've always wanted to be a performer from age 8? You must have had a very dismal child hood if thats what you think of dreams. Maybe your parents didn't encourage your passions, but you CANNOT apply the same situation to everyone. Everyone is unique and everyone has unique cases. Really? You must have lived inside the same tiny world since you've been born then. I never knew anyone who didn't changed their "dreams for the future" at least 3 times. As for my childhood my parents never interfeered with it. They always allowed me to do what I wanted (if they considered my desires normal for a kid). Yeah yeah everyone is unique bla bla, but everyone is also a child and ALL children should be given a proper education and childhood and not be smashed into National Television contests or forced to live their parents dreams for them (as many of those kids are). So yeah, you think that's normal? Fair enough, it's your opinion. I'm not going to discuss children's education with you nor with anyone, this is a Musical Forum LOL I think we've driffted way to much from the topic. Back to Susan Boyle
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Post by Valancy on Jun 2, 2009 16:27:39 GMT -5
I decided that I would be a writer when I was 7 years old, and I'd been writing already before that. I still think so at the age of 27. My other plans of what I would do have kept changing (I knew pretty early on I wouldn't be able to make living on writing), they're still very vague, and there are times when I've given up the dream temporarily, thinking it's impossible, but it's always returned and after all these years it's still very much alive. Sure, kids change their minds about what they think they want to do all the time, but most of the time dreams about stuff like being an artist are born at an early age and stay there throughout the years.
There's a difference between spoiling your kids and supporting their dreams. You can support them without spoiling them, supporting doesn't mean making them believe they can always have everything they want.
I know nothing about this whole talent show and have no opinions about the performers, I just noticed the discussion and wanted to say this. Won't stay off topic for any longer.
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Post by IchBinRory on Jun 2, 2009 16:42:18 GMT -5
Really? How come I've always wanted to be a performer from age 8? You must have had a very dismal child hood if thats what you think of dreams. Maybe your parents didn't encourage your passions, but you CANNOT apply the same situation to everyone. Everyone is unique and everyone has unique cases. Really? You must have lived inside the same tiny world since you've been born then. How dare you say that to me. I'm more open to things than you will ever be. I seem to recall a conversation with you claiming you would have liked to have done something with theatre in your life... but your father said you must get a proper job to earn money. Hence the law part. But that was a while ago. excuse me for the sketchy details. And if you don't want to discuss it... don't start the bashing the rules of a talent show. I'm not continuing this cause as I've discovered in the past, I'd have more progress arguing with a brick than with you.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 2, 2009 17:00:03 GMT -5
Really? You must have lived inside the same tiny world since you've been born then. How dare you say that to me. I'm more open to things than you will ever be. I seem to recall a conversation with you claiming you would have liked to have done something with theatre in your life... but your father said you must get a proper job to earn money. Hence the law part. But that was a while ago. excuse me for the sketchy details. And if you don't want to discuss it... don't start the bashing the rules of a talent show. I'm not continuing this cause as I've discovered in the past, I'd have more progress arguing with a brick than with you. Don't mix that kind of "open" to this. I'm not opened to somethings because I don't think I have to. Simple as that And as you should also know 'cause I told you, I'm connected to the Theater in the area that I like (translation and adaptation). I never wanted to be a singer or actor. I would like to know how to play properly a piano and sing decently but don't make that my life My father only disaproves me dedicating just to that, and I can't blame him, Theater here (nor there unless you're amazingly talented) doesn't pay for a living. Just like most of all the arts (such as writting as Valancy pointed out). And I don't want to discuss the politics on education, not the shows rules. I still disagree with these kind of things that allow children to be exposed like this. And that we can debate although I think all was said. Besides...you talk about me but if you notice well, you're also not that "opened". If people don't agree with you, they're "bricks" LOL I'm terribly sorry if I have my own opinion your majesty ;D
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