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Post by spencer101f on Jun 11, 2007 0:32:30 GMT -5
Help, I'd like to know as many Broadway flops as possible between the 90s and today.
Here's some I know:
Lestat
Taboo
Lennon
The Pirate Queen
The Wedding Singer?
I don't know that many, as I've never been to New York or seen a Broadway show there, but I need some help.
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Post by Nene on Jun 11, 2007 11:44:33 GMT -5
Practically everything. The easier way to do this would be to list the shows that did not flop and list the shows that you really can't judge because they were non-profit.
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Post by Brae on Jun 11, 2007 12:26:00 GMT -5
1st one must define flop. If you include, no Tony Nomination as part of the criteria, The Wedding Singer shouldn't be on the list.
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Post by Milady on Jun 11, 2007 20:26:47 GMT -5
www.ibdb.com/advancedsearch.aspSearch for, say, new musicals since 1990 with less than 100 performances and you'll get a decent list of shows that have really choked (if you exclude recent openings and intentionally limited runs). Beyond that, you'll need to look deeper into the numbers and results with your own definition of a flop. Though I might think a show flopped, I need it to have the element of ultimate and offensive failure attached to it (material, unpopularity, or execution) to be a real 'flop'. For example, I don't think of The Wedding Singer as a flop, even if it only ran for a few months and wasn't well-regarded by the Broadway community. There was nothing extraordinarily bad about it and it's getting a national tour (albeit non-Equity.) It flopped financially but won't be dominating any all-time flop lists five years from now. It aimed to entertain and did that for many people, tourist and enthusiast alike. Contrast that with Lestat, which couldn't capitalize on a score by Elton & Bernie, the popularity of Anne Rice's books, the muscle of Warner Brothers, and an extremely talented cast. Eight million revisions later, the audience was still trying to recover from the wolf-fight epiphany that opened the show and wondering how anyone could actually write a song that Carolee Carmello couldn't sell. It was actively bad, not just unsuccessful. The show is actually a guilty pleasure of mine, too, but it was an inexcusable disaster. This is the sort of crash-and-burn that makes a true flop for me. MiladyDeWinter
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Post by Stephen - Yar Matey on Jun 11, 2007 22:30:28 GMT -5
Wedding Singer = no flop I agree with your other flops, and one that I think... could be thought of as a flop is "Little Women" because it was on Broadway for like.. 1 1/2 months? Yea it got a tony nom - but that's cause it was for Sutton  |
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Post by spencer101f on Jun 12, 2007 2:17:12 GMT -5
More: All Shook Up Seussical Martin Short: Fame Becomes Me Dracula, the Musical Caroline, or Change Steel Magnolias Little Shop of Horrors The Little Dog Laughed The Woman in White Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Hot Feet Good Vibrations The Frogs Rabbit Hole A Year With Frog and Toad Three Days of Rain Souvenir Urban Cowboy Ring of Fire Dance of the Vampires Well Coram Boy The Adventures of Tom Sawyer-The Musical High Fidelity Little Women (yes, Stephen  Were any of these limited runs? |
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Post by Brae on Jun 12, 2007 12:24:05 GMT -5
I believe Coram Boy was a Limited run, as was Rabbit Hole & The Little Dog Laughed
I don't think I would include Caroline, or Change on the flop list either.
Steel Magnolias still is presented by amature companies on a regular basis, usually Broadway flops don't get that kind of treatment.
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Post by Nene on Jun 12, 2007 12:36:10 GMT -5
Spencer- what is your criteria for determing what's a flop?
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Post by lovelydelirium on Jun 12, 2007 13:25:30 GMT -5
i woudn't say that little shop was a flop. it has toured and is done by high schools and community theaters constantly.
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Post by santtu on Jun 12, 2007 13:34:57 GMT -5
Based on not breaking even and losing all (or most) of the producers' investments - in addition to several shows that have already been mentioned:
SUNSET BOULEVARD (one of the biggest flop in this aspect, but because of all the awards it won it's considered a 'hit-flop'...)
LA CAGE AUX FOLLES revival
SIDE SHOW (not 100% sure though)
BIG
NEVER GONNA DANCE
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Post by santtu on Jun 12, 2007 14:14:36 GMT -5
i woudn't say that little shop was a flop. it has toured and is done by high schools and community theaters constantly. But it did flop on Broadway. Check the title of this thread.  |
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Post by lovelydelirium on Jun 12, 2007 15:00:35 GMT -5
i woudn't say that little shop was a flop. it has toured and is done by high schools and community theaters constantly. But it did flop on Broadway. Check the title of this thread. i know. it all goes back to what you consider a flop. if it spawns huge success, which in my opinion, it did, then i don't consider it a flop. |
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Post by santtu on Jun 12, 2007 15:27:42 GMT -5
The Broadway production itself didn't spawn anything, the show's success is due to its success in the 80s. It was a phenomenal off-Broadway hit in the early 80s which lead to the film version featuring Rick Moranis as Seymour.
But the Broadway production (the first one for this show!!), which opened in 2003 in Broadway's Virginia Theatre, was a flop - closing after a few months after it opened and didn't make any profit or even return the investments. And to me, that means the show / the production in question is a flop.
The show is not a flop - but it's Broadway production, which we've been talking about here, was.
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Post by lovelydelirium on Jun 12, 2007 17:01:16 GMT -5
yes, the movie is based off of the off-broadway version, and yes, much of its success came from that production, but the broadway show also had its own successes, including launching a very successful national tour.
i suppose that this one show is not worth all of this back-and-forth, though. haha
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Post by Stephen - Yar Matey on Jun 12, 2007 17:36:23 GMT -5
OKay, before we go on: SPENCER, What is the critera we are looking for in order to claim weather something is a flop or not?!  |
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