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Post by Jo on May 23, 2010 22:42:45 GMT -5
I found Rudolf tunes good more than Monte Cristo ^^
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on May 24, 2010 12:43:16 GMT -5
I found Rudolf tunes good more than Monte Cristo ^^ Are you serious You're the only person I heard saying that Though Rudolf does have Wildhorn's best tune...3 guesses which it is ;D
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Post by Jo on May 24, 2010 22:33:01 GMT -5
I found Rudolf tunes good more than Monte Cristo ^^ Are you serious You're the only person I heard saying that Though Rudolf does have Wildhorn's best tune...3 guesses which it is ;D Come on! now you noticed Our taste is very different?? lol I only listened a few times, as a whole it's better to me than Monte Cristo. A Story told is really really good and hell to your doorstep is GOOD but other than that, I keep skipping I didn't find "skipping" songs yet in RUDOLF ;D
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Post by Valancy on May 25, 2010 3:13:57 GMT -5
I feel the same. Apart from the two songs you mentioned, I really don't care much for Monte Cristo's music. I can't even remember what the rest of the songs sound like, really, though they might always work better live. I'm not crazy about Rudolf's music either, but at least there are a few more songs there that I'm into. And with energetic arrangements like in Budapest they work a lot better.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on May 25, 2010 10:50:59 GMT -5
Are you serious You're the only person I heard saying that Though Rudolf does have Wildhorn's best tune...3 guesses which it is ;D Come on! now you noticed Our taste is very different?? lol I only listened a few times, as a whole it's better to me than Monte Cristo. A Story told is really really good and hell to your doorstep is GOOD but other than that, I keep skipping I didn't find "skipping" songs yet in RUDOLF ;D LOL yeah I know, but I even heard praises to Monte Cristo from people who think Wicked is a great show and are more into "modern-music-musicals" (if you can call them that...) I like both shows though. But then again, Wildhorn IS my favourite composer so...but I think music-wise Monte Cristo is probably one of his best scores. Rudolf has a nice score but appart from Master of the Strings, It will be me and Writtings on the Wall (and the late Fear and Desire) I got bored of the rest of the songs. Way too much suggar in them Valancy, You had the problem with Hell to your doorstep sounding like The Train Sequence from Wildhorn's Dracula if I recall
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Post by Valancy on May 25, 2010 14:24:45 GMT -5
Now that you mention it, some song reminded me of that, yeah. I can't remember if it was that one or something else. It's one of the only songs I actually enjoyed listening to repeatedly, though, and that had something special to it. I guess a lot of Wildhorn's good tunes copy his old good tunes, unfortunately. Like in Rudolf, Kétség és ábránd and Ez szimpla egyszeregy both sound like the Riddle, but are among the best songs in the score.
I think The Scarlet Pimpernel and Jekyll & Hyde are still Wildhorn's best musicals. Unfortunately he hasn't composed much that's new since then, he just keeps recycling the old stuff. I wish he came up with new tunes a bit more often. Then I'd be able to take him more seriously. And also if he started teaming up with people who can write storylines and lyrics. I rather like Dracula but someone should give the book a drastic rewrite. Rudolf is okay in a good production if you don't think about what it's supposed to be based on (that's probably required for Monte Cristo as well), but while there are some good tunes, a lot of the music is blah enough that a bad production and bad arrangements can kill it.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on May 25, 2010 15:29:24 GMT -5
I think The Scarlet Pimpernel and Jekyll & Hyde are still Wildhorn's best musicals. Unfortunately he hasn't composed much that's new since then, he just keeps recycling the old stuff. I wish he came up with new tunes a bit more often. Then I'd be able to take him more seriously. And also if he started teaming up with people who can write storylines and lyrics. I rather like Dracula but someone should give the book a drastic rewrite. Rudolf is okay in a good production if you don't think about what it's supposed to be based on (that's probably required for Monte Cristo as well), but while there are some good tunes, a lot of the music is blah enough that a bad production and bad arrangements can kill it. Actually Frank premiered last year 2 new shows in the USA with completly new and great scores. Bonnie & Clyde is a great show and has music that fits the time perfectly AND doesn't repeat any song Wildhorn has ever composed. Wonderland is also a very "new" score, quite in the style of Wicked, Spring Awakening etc. My major problem with Wonderland is that some of the songs aren't really my cup of tea. The book is also interesting. Well at least, for an adaptation of Alice in Wonderland, they did a better job that Tim Burton in that awfull film he did... (and I love Tim Burton so you can imagine how disapointed I am to say a Jack Murphy script is better) Monte Cristo's book is good for Wildhorn-standarts. The problem is that they made the show a bit to short (in St.Gallen it runs for less then 2 hours.). So characters like Danglars, Villefort, Albert and Valentine are quite undeveloped. So I don't doubt that if it's staged by a producer who whishes to extend the lenght of it, there's quite room for that. Also, Monte Cristo's score is amazing, the only problem is that, with that stupid thing of keep using the same 13 tracks on CDs, some of the best songs in the score aren't there. I keep wishing Nan had continued with the script to Rudolf. I'm sure she would have done a wonderfull job. Unfortunatly she was more focused on Frank's Camille Claudel, a show that never got anywhere and after being announced for Broadway not even got there 'cause no one really cared for it. (It was a pretty Sunday in the Park with George-thing...and America just needs one Sondheim )
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Post by Jo on May 25, 2010 23:25:05 GMT -5
I think He is a genius!
and it's natural to have composers's own style here and there and everywhere a bit among the same composers' work.
Who would not? But Wildhorn can write totally different style too After listening B&C and Carmen a while ago I thought he was a genius. I don't think too many people can do that........
B&C and Civil war is like American style to me and Rudolf is like more European style( my first impression is Levay-esque).... Carmen has songs mixed with his own style + new style. J & H and Monte Cristo is like typical his own style to me.
He may not able to make a big hit song like Phantom of the oprea..but still think He is a genius.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on May 27, 2010 11:54:25 GMT -5
I agree. Although several of his J&H and Pimpernel songs were a hit as stand-alone pieces (This is the moment, In his eyes, You are my home etc).
I think J&H, Pimpernel, Dracula, The Count of Monte Cristo, Rudolf and Cyrano are all in the Old-Broadway-style genre (or European-style if you want), meaning they are still "classical-orchestral" scores. Carmen, Havana, Wonderland are more modern-popish (I love the music to Havana btw).
The Civil War, Waiting for the Moon and Bonnie & Clyde are full-american musicals. And while B&C may perhaps work in some selected other number countries, The Civil War and Waiting for the Moon are shows that only talk to american audiences (or people who really like american history). Camille Claudel and Svengali are unfortunatly dead. Camille was too Sondheim-ish and Svengali, even though had some great tunes, was butchered and many of its songs ended up in other shows like Pimpernel or Rudolf for example.
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Post by Songs lyrics on Aug 10, 2010 9:25:00 GMT -5
Hi everybody, I was wondering if one of you could (please!!) help me out. I'm looking for all the lyrics from all the songs in Rudolf: Affaire Mayerling. I translate musicals as a hobby (see my youtube account: www.youtube.com/user/EuropeanMusicals) and I really wanted to translate Rudolf. The spoken parts and the big songs are no problem but especially the first song (vorhang auf) and songs like those (with a lot of different voices in a relatively small time). Please could somebody send me the lyrics or know where I can get them. I would be so grateful to you! Thanks in advance. Bye!
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Iona
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Post by Iona on Sept 20, 2010 17:00:54 GMT -5
The National Theatre of Pécs, Hungary (European Capital of Culture ln 2010) will premiere Rudolf in December this year. There are no infos on the cast yet, but the director is Szilárd Somogyi (director of Spring Awakening, Altar Boyz and Abigél at the Operett).
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Post by safira on Jan 27, 2011 16:11:32 GMT -5
Here´s the cast: Rudolf, trónörökös - Mészáros Árpád Zsolt Rudolf, trónörökös - Kocsis Dénes Rudolf, trónörökös - Götz Attila Vetsera Mária - Györfi Anna Vetsera Mária - Vágó Bernadett Taaffe gróf, miniszterelnök - Ottlik Ádám Taaffe gróf, miniszterelnök - Götz Attila Larisch grófnö - Stubendek Katalin Larisch grófnö - Vermes Tímea Ferenc József császár - Szécsi Máté Ferenc József császár - Király Miklós Stefánia, Rudolf felesége - Nádasi Veronika Stefánia, Rudolf felesége Várhelyi Éva Stefánia, Rudolf felesége Vermes Tímea Pfeiffer, bábjátékos - Pirgel Dávid Pfeiffer, bábjátékos - P. Petöcz András Pfeiffer, bábjátékos - Józsa Richárd Szeps, újságíró - Németh János Bratfisch, Rudolf kocsisa - Pilinczes József Willigut, Taaffe ügynöke - Rubind Péter Károlyi István, magyar nemes - Csajághy Szabolcs Andrássy Gyula, magyar nemes - Horváth Szabó Gábor Lónyai Ferenc, magyar nemes - Józsa Richárd Lónyai Ferenc, magyar nemes - P. Petöcz András Edward, walesi herceg - Bende István Braganza hercege - Kállai Gergely II. Vilmos, német császár - Tóth András Ernö Mitzi - Märcz Fruzsina Mitzi - Kempf Márta pnsz.hu/eloadas.php?lang=HUN&ID=221And there are a few performances in February. *sigh* (Wishes to have holidays then)
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jan 27, 2011 21:28:20 GMT -5
I've seen photos of the production and I fear it looks awfull. It looks..."cheap" (for the lack of a better word). Also, it has script changes once again being now between the original hungarian and the vienna script.
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