|
Post by exedore on Aug 22, 2006 6:19:07 GMT -5
Looks like I'll be dropping $50 or so at Footlight unless I can get friends in Japan to buy it and send it my way.
re: shortening Totale Finsternis, it's a nice song, but it's also the first on my "songs that could lose a minute and still be OK" list. Yes, it's a pretty ballad, but come on, eight minutes of it?
FWIW, I'd find a way to knock 30-60 sec. out of Carpe Noctem as well.
|
|
|
Post by Valjean87 on Aug 22, 2006 9:44:59 GMT -5
I agree with Sinina, shortining "Totale" is a sin! Why not cut "Noch mehr Bucher!"?
|
|
|
Post by Martina on Aug 22, 2006 10:12:36 GMT -5
Why not cut "Noch mehr Bucher!"? 'Cause it's fun!! ;D More seriously, on the original Vienna recording it lasts less than one minute, so not much is gained by cutting it.. If I had to cut down something I'll work mainly on Act one... (*prepares to run* ) I mean, "Knoblauch" is pretty long, as is "Trauer um Chagal" and "Tot zu sein..." I believe all three songs can be shortened without loosing anything in terms of show. And also "Carpe noctem" has its point already after 4 minutes... So why add five other minutes of Latin text which only repeats what's been said?? That's my main problem with Tanz... That some bits are too long for my taste... (obviously, all of this is just IMHO )
|
|
Sinina
Chorus Member
Avatar by Alienor
Posts: 198
|
Post by Sinina on Aug 22, 2006 10:44:24 GMT -5
Well, in Hamburg they had shortened Knoblauch, Nie geseh'n, Du bist wirklich sehr nett, Trauer um Chagal, Vor dem Schloss (the part of the vampire choir), Totale Finsternis and Die unstillbare Gier, so there's practically nothing to shorten anymore... Probably the show has never been performed as such you can hear it on the cast recording, even in Vienna some songs were a bit shorter than on the CD. But in my opinion, Totale Finsternis was shortened totally artlessly in Hamburg and it didn't work at all.
|
|
|
Post by Valancy on Aug 24, 2006 3:55:56 GMT -5
I agree with Sinina, the shortening of Totale Finsternis wasn't done artfully at all. You can hear too obviously that bits are missing from it. I don't mind the way Die Unstillbare Gier was shortened as much - though I would love to also have that bit which was removed, it's not nearly as jarring as the way Totale Finsternis was shortened. And I never felt that Totale Finsternis was too long in its original length. That is a matter of taste, I suppose, but I still go "What, it's over already?" despite however many minutes there are of it. I suppose I could live with Carpe Noctem being shortened a little - though there's only so much you can shorten it if you want the dance scene on stage to work out well and make its point, I think - but I've never felt it was too long as such. Of course, I happen to be completely obsessed with that song so I may not be the best person to ask.
|
|
|
Post by Valjean87 on Aug 24, 2006 22:05:30 GMT -5
A friend of mine said that they should eradicate "Totale" and put in another Jim Steinman song: either Celine Dion's "Its All Comming Back" or Meat Loaf's "I Would Do Anthing For Love". I disagreed on it and I wondered if any of you's agree on this by adding a new Krolock & Sarah song in place of "Totale".
|
|
Sinina
Chorus Member
Avatar by Alienor
Posts: 198
|
Post by Sinina on Aug 25, 2006 3:00:39 GMT -5
A friend of mine said that they should eradicate "Totale" and put in another Jim Steinman song: either Celine Dion's "Its All Comming Back" or Meat Loaf's "I Would Do Anthing For Love". I disagreed on it and I wondered if any of you's agree on this by adding a new Krolock & Sarah song in place of "Totale". That would be completely ridiculous and I'm sure it will never happen because Kunze has told that Totale Finsternis is his favorite song in the whole musical. In fact, Total Eclipse of the Heart was recomposed for TdV because Kunze liked it so much and asked Steinman to use it in the musical.
|
|
|
Post by Marielle on Aug 25, 2006 3:29:02 GMT -5
A friend of mine said that they should eradicate "Totale" and put in another Jim Steinman song: either Celine Dion's "Its All Comming Back" or Meat Loaf's "I Would Do Anthing For Love". I disagreed on it and I wondered if any of you's agree on this by adding a new Krolock & Sarah song in place of "Totale". That would be completely ridiculous and I'm sure it will never happen because Kunze has told that Totale Finsternis is his favorite song in the whole musical. In fact, Total Eclipse of the Heart was recomposed for TdV because Kunze liked it so much and asked Steinman to use it in the musical. Agree. "Totale" is one of the most memorable songs in the musical and IMHO raises the quality of the musical, and besides it comes at the beginning of the 2nd act, which means it has to be good enough to draw the audience back into the Tanz world. A Celine Dion song to replace it? Never!
|
|
|
Post by vampbear on Aug 25, 2006 4:24:06 GMT -5
I hated it when they first chopped Totale to bits in Hamburg You could tell it had been cut in places cos it didn't quite flow. They did reinstate some parts eventually but not the whole song. Apparently it was something to do with the length of the show and costs I hope the full song is back in Berlin. I don't mind the other cuts so much, cutting back Knoblauch a bit worked for me. Helps get to Krolock's first entrance quicker Can't understand not putting Totale on a CD though, after all its one of the main songs and is the duet between Sarah and Krolock. Still, am interested in how Tanz sounds in Japanese!
|
|
|
Post by Valjean87 on Aug 25, 2006 17:19:33 GMT -5
Oops sorry forgot to translate that one Sinina put up! To explain what's written on that blog... The two pictures up there are fake covers, so that's not what it will really be like when it's been released... Thank goodness! (those covers are terrible) It will be released on November. It will be a 2disc set but there will be no separate recordings for different casts. The first act will have Urai and Ootsuka as Alfred and Sarah, and the second act will have the other two cast members. But for people who for instance want to hear Ootsuka's 2nd act bits, all the important songs by the non-recorded pair will be added as bonus tracks. Because of the limit in time, it will only be a highlights recording. Okay so I don't really get it either.. Toho's never recorded a musical like this before. I think this is a weird way to make a recording... what do you think? :S (oh, and from what I've heard... Totale Finsternis has been shortened!!!) Another cast recording did this and I believe it was the Russian Romeo & Juliette. You'll have to buy it separately and each different Cast Member sings a different song.
|
|
|
Post by Valjean87 on Sept 7, 2006 11:31:36 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by exedore on Oct 31, 2006 19:56:49 GMT -5
Yay, a friend is ordering a copy of the cast recording for me. I hope this cast was awesome enough to justify paying $60 for it after shipping, bank transfer fees, etc. are all added in (not to mention the pain of having to fax an order into Toho).
|
|
|
Post by Marielle on Oct 31, 2006 22:19:41 GMT -5
Yay, a friend is ordering a copy of the cast recording for me. I hope this cast was awesome enough to justify paying $60 for it after shipping, bank transfer fees, etc. are all added in (not to mention the pain of having to fax an order into Toho). I hope it's worth the price too.. I'm just asking a friend for the ripped files after she gets her CDs. I really don't understand why they had to make it a 2disc highlights with the different cast members.. it makes it so complicated.
|
|
|
Post by exedore on Oct 31, 2006 23:09:34 GMT -5
I really don't understand why they had to make it a 2disc highlights with the different cast members.. it makes it so complicated. Honestly? Because it's the Japanese way. Look at the fact that both Toho Elisabeth productions have two CDs, and in both cases it's only one or two different cast members. The die hard fans will buy both, but you can't ignore one or people buy neither. The TdV disc is a compromise. The silly part is that they double cast some of the roles.
|
|
|
Post by Marielle on Nov 1, 2006 0:44:24 GMT -5
I really don't understand why they had to make it a 2disc highlights with the different cast members.. it makes it so complicated. Honestly? Because it's the Japanese way. Look at the fact that both Toho Elisabeth productions have two CDs, and in both cases it's only one or two different cast members. The die hard fans will buy both, but you can't ignore one or people buy neither. The TdV disc is a compromise. The silly part is that they double cast some of the roles. Oh I know that part... after all I am Japanese. What I don't like about it is that people who like one of the double cast want to hear all the good songs sung by that cast member and not only one act of it... and throwing in one bonus track at the end of each CD doesn't really make up for it. All the same I can't wait for it to be released! ;D
|
|