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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jan 16, 2009 13:17:08 GMT -5
That's a good question...I assumed they were talking about Morrel father. Though then again, I dunno if Wildhorn went with the father or the son so until the premiere we won't know I assume it was the father in wich case he's too young. But if its the son then yeah he may be a bit too old. But then again...Edmund is suposed to be 19 at the beggining and Thomas doesn't look exactly like a kid AND even when older, Edmund is around 30 and Thomas is a bit older (He's in his 40's I think?) I assumed with Valentine in the show, he used the son, lol. Which of course could be wrong because on the recording, isn't Jesper Albert? How did I miss that and not complain? Lol. I'm too protective of this novel. So Andre would be way too young. Anyways, it's like Elisabeth, she's supposed to be very young in the beginning and age. It's weird, but it works in that regards since you stay with the character. As for age, he's 19 years old in the beginning, he's imprisoned for 14 years. That puts him at 33 when he escapes and finds the treasure, etc... There is then, another 10 years from the time he helps Morrel the elder and when he enters Paris. So at that point he's 43. Most people, when adapting this, mainly stay in the last period, so Thomas works. Yeah Jesper is Albert. But the thing is... I don't think Wildhorn will focus the show so much in the last Parisien period. Judging by the Recording he spends quite some time in the first period until Edmund finishes helping the Morrel Senior. And something tells me "Hell to your doorstep" will be the 1st Act Finale. Wich would devide the show into 2 : 1st Act Good Edmund, 2nd Act Revengeful Edmund. And that division makes more sence when we're talking about Wildhorn's obcession with Good & Evil
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jan 16, 2009 13:48:16 GMT -5
By the way, just got this confirmation out of Frank's office, it will be Morrel FATHER So...Andre is too young but make up may work as it did on Elisabeth
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Post by Nene on Jan 16, 2009 19:46:42 GMT -5
By the way, just got this confirmation out of Frank's office, it will be Morrel FATHER So...Andre is too young but make up may work as it did on Elisabeth Thanks for clearing that up. It will be much easier to age him than to make him younger.
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Post by duketgg on Feb 14, 2009 13:56:38 GMT -5
Does anyone know where to find the lyrics of the show?
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Feb 14, 2009 14:11:04 GMT -5
Does anyone know where to find the lyrics of the show? The english lyrics? There's not anywere I know. However I and a girl on livejournal wrote them down, if you want them, let me know
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Post by duketgg on Feb 14, 2009 15:51:48 GMT -5
I'd love to have the English lyrics. Thanks
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Post by scarlet on Feb 14, 2009 17:28:12 GMT -5
Me too!
And some comments/questions about the CD now that I've listened to it multiple times...(please note, I do not have the CD to hand, so if my character questions are answered in the booklet, I apologize)... In "Story to Tell" are the three men singing supposed to be Ferdinand, Danglers and Cauderosse or is it Villefort as the third? Why does a Catalan fisherman/soldier quote Shakespeare when his rival dies? Why is a female character singing about looking forward to life with Albert (annoyining pronounced with the final T, unlike later when it's pronounced Alber by Monte Cristo)? If the character is Valentine, she was never linked to Albert and was in love with the younger Morrel, if it's Eugenie, well, she hated the very thought of marriage.
I find too many female songs on the CD to make me happy, I want more concentration on Monte Cristo, not Mercedes, and as I said, I don't understand "Pretty Lies." I seriously dislike "Ah, Women" to the point that I don't even listen to it and have no clue where it belongs in the show. Also, I'm having trouble with some of the lines given to Monte Cristo. Particularly in "Hell to Your Doorstep," when he states "women to be found everywhere." It's always seemed to me that he's put aside any thought of romance while planning his retribution. I also don't like Monte Cristo's response in "I Know those eyes/This Man is dead." I can't quite put my finger on why, but they don't ring true. From the CD, it seems the whole Haydee subplot is missing, which leaves me to wonder how he'll be revenged on Ferdinand. "The Man I Used to Be" is a good song, but it doesn't work for me as a Finale, since in the book there is the whole visit to the Chateau D'If and wrap up of Maximillien/Valentine after his questioning of his actions.
My biggest issue is that this recording seems to be concentrating on a love story, with the revenge aspect coming second, instead of the other way around. Edmond Dantes is not looking to reconnect with Mercedes in the book, he has turned his back on that relationship and concentrates on what he sees as justice.
I know that there is no way that anyone could ever do the entire book on stage, and I'm in no position to say what someone should or shouldn't do in regards to it, since it is Public Domain, but I just thought I'd share my feelings.
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Post by Nene on Feb 14, 2009 19:55:20 GMT -5
Me too! And some comments/questions about the CD now that I've listened to it multiple times...(please note, I do not have the CD to hand, so if my character questions are answered in the booklet, I apologize)... In "Story to Tell" are the three men singing supposed to be Ferdinand, Danglers and Cauderosse or is it Villefort as the third? Why does a Catalan fisherman/soldier quote Shakespeare when his rival dies? Why is a female character singing about looking forward to life with Albert (annoyining pronounced with the final T, unlike later when it's pronounced Alber by Monte Cristo)? If the character is Valentine, she was never linked to Albert and was in love with the younger Morrel, if it's Eugenie, well, she hated the very thought of marriage. I find too many female songs on the CD to make me happy, I want more concentration on Monte Cristo, not Mercedes, and as I said, I don't understand "Pretty Lies." I seriously dislike "Ah, Women" to the point that I don't even listen to it and have no clue where it belongs in the show. Also, I'm having trouble with some of the lines given to Monte Cristo. Particularly in "Hell to Your Doorstep," when he states "women to be found everywhere." It's always seemed to me that he's put aside any thought of romance while planning his retribution. I also don't like Monte Cristo's response in "I Know those eyes/This Man is dead." I can't quite put my finger on why, but they don't ring true. From the CD, it seems the whole Haydee subplot is missing, which leaves me to wonder how he'll be revenged on Ferdinand. "The Man I Used to Be" is a good song, but it doesn't work for me as a Finale, since in the book there is the whole visit to the Chateau D'If and wrap up of Maximillien/Valentine after his questioning of his actions. My biggest issue is that this recording seems to be concentrating on a love story, with the revenge aspect coming second, instead of the other way around. Edmond Dantes is not looking to reconnect with Mercedes in the book, he has turned his back on that relationship and concentrates on what he sees as justice. I know that there is no way that anyone could ever do the entire book on stage, and I'm in no position to say what someone should or shouldn't do in regards to it, since it is Public Domain, but I just thought I'd share my feelings. To answer your question simply..... it's Wildhorn, what do you expect? He makes everything his own and work how he wants it, regardless of how well it works.
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Post by Valancy on Feb 15, 2009 6:31:34 GMT -5
Yeah. I really like some things about the recording, but the story changes and the focus on love story bother me. I was listening to the recording a lot when I got it, but lately I haven't listened to it so much because I haven't got the patience to always skip all the love songs. To answer some of your questions, Wildhorn threw out all the young ones except Albert and Valentine and made them a romantic couple, sort of combining Maximilien and Albert as characters. I'm not too happy with this, because I really liked Maximilien and Albert as they were in the novel and I think it messes things up. The Haydee subplot seems to be entirely missing, yes. I have no idea how Wildhorn's made the story work without her. Then again, story is never one of his strong points. Neither is staying true to the source material. I'm still trying to figure out how on earth Rudolf is supposed to be based on Frederic Morton's "A Nervous Splendor". Still, Wildhorn remains something of a guilty pleasure with me, I love certain types of songs he does, I just wish he threw out all the sappy love songs and for once got a collaborator who knows how to write lyrics and a script.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Feb 15, 2009 9:33:36 GMT -5
Me too! In "Story to Tell" are the three men singing supposed to be Ferdinand, Danglers and Cauderosse or is it Villefort as the third? In "A Story told" Villefort replaces Cauderosse who was apparently entirely removed from the script. Wich kinda helps shortening things up since you can get rid of the chapters with the jewish jewler, and the story of Edmund's servent (who's name I can't recall at the moment). Why does a Catalan fisherman/soldier quote Shakespeare when his rival dies? ...probably because it was pretty ;D Why is a female character singing about looking forward to life with Albert (annoyining pronounced with the final T, unlike later when it's pronounced Alber by Monte Cristo)? If the character is Valentine, she was never linked to Albert and was in love with the younger Morrel, if it's Eugenie, well, she hated the very thought of marriage. It's suposed to be Valentine, and I think then again, the idea is to shorten the story by removing characters. From what I know, the young Morrel was removed from the story, so they had to give a guy to Valentine I find too many female songs on the CD to make me happy, I want more concentration on Monte Cristo, not Mercedes, and as I said, I don't understand "Pretty Lies." I seriously dislike "Ah, Women" to the point that I don't even listen to it and have no clue where it belongs in the show. Also, I'm having trouble with some of the lines given to Monte Cristo. Particularly in "Hell to Your Doorstep," when he states "women to be found everywhere." It's always seemed to me that he's put aside any thought of romance while planning his retribution. I also don't like Monte Cristo's response in "I Know those eyes/This Man is dead." I can't quite put my finger on why, but they don't ring true. Well don't forget this is a CONCEPT recording so it doesn't mean songs like "Ah, women" gets to the stage. I will send you the lyrics as soon as possible As for "I know those eyes" it happens during a ball in Mercedes mansion, so I assume it's when he's introduced to the society, instead of the private visit from the book. About the female songs, well that happens with Wildhorn, though this one has less than usual. From the CD, it seems the whole Haydee subplot is missing, which leaves me to wonder how he'll be revenged on Ferdinand. "The Man I Used to Be" is a good song, but it doesn't work for me as a Finale, since in the book there is the whole visit to the Chateau D'If and wrap up of Maximillien/Valentine after his questioning of his actions. There's no certainty "The Man I used to be" will be the Finale Again, 13 tracks reveals little about the way the story goes ;D My biggest issue is that this recording seems to be concentrating on a love story, with the revenge aspect coming second, instead of the other way around. Edmond Dantes is not looking to reconnect with Mercedes in the book, he has turned his back on that relationship and concentrates on what he sees as justice. I know that there is no way that anyone could ever do the entire book on stage, and I'm in no position to say what someone should or shouldn't do in regards to it, since it is Public Domain, but I just thought I'd share my feelings. As for the love VS revenge, I really can't say much judging just by this Concept. However I don't think Edmund is trying to get Mercedes back. Actually, judging by the lyrics to "All This Time" and "The Man I used to be" they don't end togheter at all. It's impossible to turn the book into a musical without making changes though. The only way was the show ending in a 4 hours show as boring as Les Miserables and honestly one is enough to me ;D
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Mar 16, 2009 14:34:29 GMT -5
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Post by Martina on Mar 17, 2009 3:40:30 GMT -5
Any chance of a written review of some newspaper? I can't watch the videos from this computer...
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Mar 17, 2009 8:05:19 GMT -5
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Post by Martina on Mar 17, 2009 8:28:12 GMT -5
Thank you! Anyhow, hopefully more reviews will pop up in the next days... I can't do that in the office ... ;D
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Post by duketgg on Mar 19, 2009 6:23:14 GMT -5
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