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Post by Milady on Apr 15, 2009 15:50:10 GMT -5
Ah, I'd forgotten how much I adore Lilla! She'd be fabulous. I liked Anna, too.
Kata is dreadful in that clip. I really, really hope they don't cast her.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Apr 15, 2009 16:36:50 GMT -5
Kata always sounds bad to me so it's no surprise. And she is singing in an attempt to english. She probably just speaks hungarian as many of those actors. Wildhorn said in his Graz Concert that he found amazing voices in Budapest with the big problem they only speak hungarian ;D (By the way, they are using the playback available at Showtunes Vol.1 in case anyone wanders )
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Post by Cia on Apr 16, 2009 0:15:47 GMT -5
You know, people can speak English very well even if they have an accent or can't pronounce everything perfectly. Finns tend to be good examples of that because here the teaching in schools concentrates very much on writing instead of speaking. It's true that many Hungarians only speak Hungarian, though, but I haven't yet heard that any foreign fan had had huge language problems at the stagedoors so the actors must have some knowledge of e.g. English. I hope this isn't going to be another "Szilveszter & Kata on stage together!" case. Sziszi can sing, yes, but something evil has happened to Kata's voice and I hope they realize it and won't give her the role just because of her name. I have never been a huge fan of her voice, but now she clearly can't sing.
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Post by Valancy on Apr 16, 2009 0:52:56 GMT -5
I haven't stagedoored Kata, but some other people have and she speaks English. Accented, yeah, but quite enough to chat for some time. There are some Hungarian actors who don't speak any English, and most of the people here don't speak it very well (and enough speak it not at all that I'm glad I speak some Hungarian). But so far all the actors I've talked to on stage door (Szabó P. Szilveszter, Egyházi Géza, Vágó Bernadett, Bereczki Zoltán, Füredi Nikolett, Szerényi László, Dolhai Attila and Németh Attila) have spoken at least enough English to communicate. Nikolett and László were probably the best, with the least noticeable accent (well, Zoli doesn't have an accent either from what I can tell, but I talked to him very briefly) and László having no problem in chattering away for some time. Neither did Géza, though his accent is a little stronger but by no means bad. Anyway, I second what Cia says about accent not meaning you can't speak the language, though of course having less of an accent is good. Anyway, yeah, Kata's voice is going to hell. Hearing her Titania the past few times has been painful, because I keep fearing she won't hit the next note or won't be able to hold it, and her voice is generally kind of hoarse. Especially in comparison to Nikolett's awesome fairy queen voice it's not pleasant to hear. Kata's never had a super-good vocal technique, in my opinion (she forces her voice out too much or something, and I'd have said this also back when I liked her more than I do nowadays) and it's getting back to her now. I hope they'll have the sense not to cast Kata, because if she can't sing Titania she can't sing Danvers either. Lilla, Nikolett or Anna would be my favourites for the role. As for Nikolett's "Sie ergibt sich nicht" audio, go here: furmansi.uw.hu/zene.html Her official website hasn't functioned for a while, but that's a fansite sanctioned by her.
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Post by Lora on Apr 16, 2009 1:50:15 GMT -5
I haven't stagedoored Kata, but some other people have and she speaks English. Accented, yeah, but quite enough to chat for some time. Kata speaks well enough english to chat at the stage door, and her accent is much better when she speaks than when she sings.
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Post by Valancy on Apr 16, 2009 2:59:10 GMT -5
Kata speaks well enough english to chat at the stage door, and her accent is much better when she speaks than when she sings. Funny because often it's the other way around, I think - maybe it's easier to learn to pronounce a known set of lines well than to speak it fluently spontaneously. But people are probably different in that and some find it harder to produce correct sounds when they're singing. Anyway, I don't think one can fault the Hungarians too much for not speaking super-good English, because in the time of the Communism it wasn't English they studied at school, it was Russian. That's what I've been told, anyway. Most of the currently popular actors are in their thirties and have had their schooling in the time of Communism. It's mostly the youngest ones who've even had a chance to learn English properly at school (and even then teachers don't often speak good English because they haven't learned that, so "properly" is a relative question). And people vary vastly in how well they can pick up foreign languages in adult age, and learning to pronounce it really well can be tough for most. While most Hungarian actors seem to speak at least some English, they don't need it as much as actors in e.g. German-speaking countries do. In Germany and Austria, a lot of the cast is international and directors etc. often are, too. Hungarian actors mostly need to work with Hungarians. Of course there are exceptions, I'd think most of the Vámpírok Bálja people need to speak at least helpful English, because I don't know if Cornelius Baltus and Roman Polanski are very strong in Hungarian...
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Post by Sinina on Apr 16, 2009 4:07:43 GMT -5
Of course there are exceptions, I'd think most of the Vámpírok Bálja people need to speak at least helpful English, because I don't know if Cornelius Baltus and Roman Polanski are very strong in Hungarian... Exactly. As far as I know, Vámpírok bálja was directed completely in English (like other TdV productions) since Baltus and Polanski do not speak any Hungarian.
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Post by Valancy on Apr 16, 2009 4:27:45 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I though. Which is good to know if one feels a need to talk to any of those actors on stage door...
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Apr 16, 2009 7:30:09 GMT -5
You know, people can speak English very well even if they have an accent or can't pronounce everything perfectly. (...) I hope this isn't going to be another "Szilveszter & Kata on stage together!" case. Sziszi can sing, yes, but something evil has happened to Kata's voice and I hope they realize it and won't give her the role just because of her name. I have never been a huge fan of her voice, but now she clearly can't sing. Well she may speak english but she can't sing in it. If I didn't knew the lyrics I would have a hard time understanding what she was saying and I'm acostumed to ear people trying to speak english and failing (my dear sister is a great example). Sorry I just hope Kata is not as Prima Donna as Uwe Kröger. 'cause I may let pass VBW ruining Taaffe with him...but I won't be so keen on critics if they decide to murder Danvers by casting Kata... I dunno how many hungarian actors do speak english I've never been in Budapest and even if I have I wouldn't be at the stagedoor to know. I'm just quoting Frank Wildhorn
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 29, 2009 15:47:16 GMT -5
Füredi Nikolett singing Rebecca in costume ;D She's one of the most likely names to play Mrs.Danvers. And NO Kata Janza will not be playing the role, the producer doesn't want her too. (Alleluia! ;D )
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Post by Valancy on Jul 3, 2009 7:44:50 GMT -5
There are lots of rumours on Hungarian musical fan boards about the cast - if I understand right some people have seen a partial cast list on the theatre's notice board when going in there to talk to actors, or else somebody's just told them. Anyway, so far it's not official, but if the rumours are true, at least the following people will play:
Ich - Szinetár Dóra, Vágó Zsuzsi Maxim - Bereczki Zoltán, Szabó P. Szilveszter Jack Favell - Mészáros Árpád Zsolt, Bálint Ádám Ben - Pirgel Dávid
Mrs Danvers remains unclear - some people seem to be saying that Nádasi Veronika has been chosen, some that Füredi Nikolett, but most seem to be saying that Danvers hasn't yet been chosen at all and they're still trying to decide how to divide the roles of Mrs Danvers and Beatrice among a few prominent actresses. I may be misunderstanding something, though, but looks like at least both casts for Danvers haven't been chosen yet. Janza Kata appears to have been rejected, in any case, by Kunze and Levay themselves if I understood right. She might still end up Beatrice, but won't be Danvers, of which I'm very grateful if it's true.
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Post by safira on Jul 4, 2009 13:52:05 GMT -5
Maxim - Bereczki Zoltán, Szabó P. Szilveszter *sigh* Seems I have to see the show twice again. Why must they be casted for the same role again (after Rudolf)? So I must hope again that they alternate when I can go there. Not that I see one of them twice and the other not.
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Post by Valancy on Jul 5, 2009 4:23:25 GMT -5
So I must hope again that they alternate when I can go there. Not that I see one of them twice and the other not. Don't worry, it's always done that way unless there's something special like one of them being ill or busy with something else, and that doesn't happen. Usually every time there are performances of one show, all actors for any role will be playing about an equal amount of performances. I have to say I think Zoli and Dóra are a slightly odd choice for Maxim and Ich - not that I doubt either of their abilities to play the roles, but Zoli comes across as too young and Dóra as too old, and together they seem the same age whereas Ich and Maxim should be 20 years apart in age. But I hope they'll make it work. I'm happy about Zsuzsi, Szilveszter and Pirgel Dávid, though I wish Homonnay Zsolt was also playing Maxim. Well, now we just need to wait for official information and the full cast list... Probably we'll only learn that in September or thereabouts.
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Post by safira on Jul 5, 2009 14:41:23 GMT -5
Yes, I know they usually alternate. Usually. Sometimes the cast was quite mixed this year, though. I had the same thoughts about Dóra and Zoli. If I was nasty I´d say they´d manage the 20 years difference, but the other way round. But I´m not nasty... ;D Homonnay Zsolt would be great as Maxim. At least he´d look and sound older than Zoli.
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Post by Lora on Jul 6, 2009 0:24:37 GMT -5
I have to say I think Zoli and Dóra are a slightly odd choice for Maxim and Ich Me too. I'd rather have Homonnay Zsolt as Maxim and Zoli as Favel... Though I think that both Mészáros Árpád Zsolt, Bálint Ádám will be good in role.
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