safira
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Post by safira on Feb 12, 2010 16:51:31 GMT -5
Rumours on Hungarian forums say that not only did Kunze and Levay not want Kata as Danvers, they also didn't want Zoltán as Maxim but instead wanted Homonnay Zsolt. Oh, how much I wish they'd been listened to... Me too! In my opinion Dóra and Zoltán just got the roles because now a couple can be a couple on stage, too. Nice for advertisement, huh?! Well, I guess I´ll see and hear the result in 5 weeks - and hope I´ll see the second cast, too! By the way: thanks for the photo-link!
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Post by Valancy on Feb 17, 2010 7:42:18 GMT -5
[ Me too! In my opinion Dóra and Zoltán just got the roles because now a couple can be a couple on stage, too. Nice for advertisement, huh?! ! Yes, without a doubt that's the reason why... Cashing on the Musical Duett success. It's so silly. As though Rebecca isn't a show that will sell on its own as long as you cast people who fit the roles! And I have great doubts about it being a good idea to cast real-life couples as romantic stage couples - I don't think it usually works all that well. Of course I hope everyone I'm skeptical about will provide a positive surprise, but I currently have much higher hopes about the second cast than the first one, all around. Though I don't know what to think about the Mrs Danvers orders - if Kata plays with the second cast after all then I guess I have to hope for my mixed cast karma if/when I go to see the show... I've lost so much faith in Kero since the cast info came out, and even more when I started hearing that he's ignored Kunze and Levay's explicit wishes just to get his favourite cash machines on stage... Here's the TV performance of Dóra and Zoli singing Hilf mir durch die Nacht: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijB-LGKazm8And here's an audio from a press conference with the 1st and 2nd cast Ichs and Maxims singing the same song. Dóra and Zoli do sound better there than on the TV show, but I still think Zsuzsi and Szilveszter are a lot better (and I've never even thought Szilveszter a particularly good singer, though I like his acting - Zsuzsi, though, has improved a lot as a singer during the time I've known about her). www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTcB8HcviU4For those not as familiar with spotting the Hungarian singers based on voice alone - Dóra starts the Ich part and Zsuzsi goes on from "Es ist schon spät, doch ich komm' nicht zu Ruh", and again Dóra in the refrain, with Zsuzsi from "Halt mich ganz fest"; Szilveszter begins Maxim's verse and Zoltán goes on from "Die Wahrheit ist, ich weiss nicht...".
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Feb 17, 2010 17:51:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the links! I like both Dora and Zsuzsi, and I definitly think Dora will pair well with her husband. It's probably more easy for her to channel the feelings since she just needs to think how would she feel if Zoltan actually did that to her...and since he's doing it in the show, I think it helps...dunno. On the other hand I have a crush on Zsuzsi so... Zoltan sounds great but I fear he won't look old enough for Maxim...Szilveszter on the other hand sounds awfull as always but will probably look better as a older Maxim so... It's really lets wait and see.
I keep what I think about Kata. She will be a trainwreck. And I don't even what to think IF she gets casted as 1st Cast Danvers...and the CD comes out with her in the role...*shivers*
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Post by safira on Feb 18, 2010 16:25:18 GMT -5
Well, I don´t think Szilveszter is a bad singer. His acting is far better, though. And I guess he´ll be a good "older" Maxim for I expect Zoltán to look too young, too. And I really hope Zsuzsi has improved her singing since I heard/saw her last. Then she turned into squeaking too often. Oh, and I could swear Kata will act with the second cast no matter whether she´s first cast or not. She always plays in the cast Szilveszter is in. You know, the are usual "dream" pairs at this theatre. But at least this would mean hope for the CD....
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Post by Cia on Feb 19, 2010 3:42:39 GMT -5
I'm not very happy about the cast. I like Zsuzsi's voice, and Sziszi looks like Maxim and is good at being angsty, and that's pretty much everything positive I can say about the couples. Zoli and Dóra have way too pop-like voices for the songs and they're totally the wrong age, and after seeing Sziszi in a bunch of dark brooding man roles I'm starting to get really fed up with his single angsty facial expression. I hope will be positively surprised, but... But.
This is one thing I really hate with the Operettszínház (and Madách Színház). Hungary is full of excellent singers and actors, and the Operettszínház even has many of them hired, and yet they only give the big roles to the same names over and over again because they don't have enough trust on either themselves or on the musicals they choose. I saw Beauty and the Beast there a few weeks ago, and the best singer on the stage was definitely László Sánta, who they have as 2nd cast Lefou.
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Post by Valancy on Feb 19, 2010 5:27:22 GMT -5
and after seeing Sziszi in a bunch of dark brooding man roles I'm starting to get really fed up with his single angsty facial expression. *nodsnods* I know what you mean (even more so, perhaps, as I've seen him even more times). I used to really love him, and I still enjoy seeing him, but really I'd enjoy more of him in comic roles because he's also good in them and his angsty acting, it's really good the first few times but it's always the same no matter what the role. Actually that's the problem with a lot of their actors - they're really good when you see them in one or two roles, but after you've seen them in a bunch of the roles you realise they always act the same way and it gets boring. I think it's a problem of the direction rather than the actors being incapable of acting in more varied ways, but there are a few actors who can escape that. Mostly the ones who somehow escape being typecast, like Zsolt Homonnay and László Sánta, or who have otherwise spent a considerable amount of time doing something else before they came to the Operettszínház like Niki Füredi (who's the third cast Beatrice in this show, grr - I mean I'm glad she got a role, but she'd have deserved to play Danvers, or at least the 1st cast Beatrice) or László Szerényi. Yes, that could happen. What does it say that about the whole Rebecca cast, I'm only properly excited about László as Ben? They keep really talented people at the sidelines or even just stuck into the ensemble (Andrea Molnár springs into mind - most recognisable for playing Rózsa on the Rómeó és Júlia DVD, I think she's now left the theatre to do something else because she never got proper roles though she's much more talented than many who get big roles) and then overwork the same few people who are really popular and cast them into the same kind of roles in everything. I also don't really know what a nontalent like Ádám Bálint does being a medium-sized musical star when there are so many people who can act and sing, not to speak of Kata being THE star actress. *eyeroll* Oh, Operettszínház. They did get me into Hungarian shows in general and I still love a lot of what they do, but the more time I spend observing them, the more frustrated I get - there's a lot more they could do with the talent they've got in use but instead they keep repeating the same few tricks again and again. Still, they play almost all of the shows that I'm the most interested in so I will keep seeing their stuff in the future, but I start wanting to pay more attention to what goes on in the musical theatre scene outside them and the Madách. Which can be difficult as not that much goes on besides the vampires. It makes me glad that the PS Productió (the producers of Vámpírok Bálja) are also starting to do more in the Hungarian musical scene, starting with that Chess concert. Safira: When have you last seen Zsuzsi? I think she's improved a lot with her singing during the time I've kept seeing her, especially last summer and even more this January I was really surprised by how beautifully she sang. Sometimes she still goes back into the old squeaky-and-shouty technique, though, so I understand (and somewhat share) your concerns. She sounds better than Dóra sounded in that dreadful clip, though - but I've normally liked Dóra's singing, so maybe she just had a flu or something... But I think that both her and Zoli's voices are too pop-like and I generally don't think they're a good fit for the roles, especially not Zoli. It annoys me that I almost begin to dislike him just because he's been cast into the wrong role, even though I normally love him. Stop making stupid casting decisions, Kero! I don't think Szilveszter is a terribly good singer, but I don't think he's a terribly bad one either. I trust him to clear Maxim's songs better than Zoli, simply because he's not a pop singer but accustomed to singing the Uwe characters. But the quality of his voice isn't anything great, I've never thought it was even when I was a big fan of him, so if its sound doesn't please someone, I can understand.
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Post by Valancy on Feb 19, 2010 9:51:02 GMT -5
Sorry for double posting, but my previous post is long enough I don't feel like editing it yet again to add this... The cast info for March just came out, and it looks interesting. It seems that the order on the general cast list doesn't reflect the actual order, because certain people listed as first cast are consistently playing with the second cast and vice versa. Basically, Kata plays Danvers with the 2nd cast as Safira predicted, and Lilla and Veronika share the first cast performances; Nikolett plays Beatrice in all the first cast performances, and Sánta László plays Ben. So it seems like they're first cast in practice, even if I don't know if it will reflect on the cast of the possible recording.
The Danvers thing is no doubt at least partly to cash on the "Szilveszter/Kata dream couple" thing by putting them on the stage at the same time (though they're not a couple here and I don't really see what's so dreamy about them together, having seen them several times on stage and not finding anything extraordinary about it), but with the others, maybe they've thought about it and realised these people should be the first cast after all?
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Post by safira on Feb 19, 2010 16:47:06 GMT -5
I must say that the cast info makes me feel a bit happier and relieved. As long as noone´s becoming ill I´ll see both first and second cast! Yay! About Kata: Wasn´t it the same with Rudolf? Kata casted as first cast Larisch but acting with the second cast only? Szilveszter was second cast Pfeiffer... Even after seeing just three musicals at the Operettszínház so far I must admit that they do too much typecasting - or they forget types at all (like Zoltán now). It´s sad and boring we can predict half the cast (at least) and even the combinations. Valancy: I´ve seen Zsuzsi last in October 2008 as Maria in Rudolf. At that time her singing technique was quite squeaky. Oh, I wish I could see see other Hungarian musical productions, too. I´ve just seen Vámpírok Bálja outside the Operettszínház until now. Somehow I´m always there when nothing else interesting is shown. I´d love to see Avenue Q for example...
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Post by Valancy on Feb 20, 2010 5:48:05 GMT -5
Scratch that about Ben - apparently they changed it around a few hours later. You'd think it wouldn't be so hard to get that right the first time. But I like Dávid for the role, too, so it's fine even if László is a bigger favourite for me. That's almost the only role where they managed to cast two people I really like and who fit the part... Hmm, I've seen/heard enough *coughthingscough* where Kata was playing Larisch with the first cast in Rudolf, and I saw her in mixed cast with the first cast Rudolf and Mary but second cast Taaffe and Pfeiffer. But they definitely like to go around imagining it's important to have her and Szilveszter together on the stage... I think Zsuzsi's improved in her singing quite a lot since that time, Safira. But she can still have bad days, and there's still something pushy about her technique I don't quite like, so we'll see. Yeah, it can be hard to catch other interesting shows than the Operettszínház stuff, because often shows that aren't either theirs or Madách's are such small productions they're not shown a lot, or happen somewhere far away. When did you see Vámpírok Bálja and with which cast, can I ask? I don't remember if I've read a review from you from that, though perhaps I'm just being forgetful. This is the cast of the Rebecca press premiere: www.operettszinhaz.hu/operett.php?pid=show&rId=87&mId=3626&evad=5 So it's them who are considered to be the first cast, I guess, even if the listing is a bit different on the musical's page. Maybe it was some kind of a prestige thing, Kata had to be put first on the list... By the way, I find it funny that they list Favell (misspelled...), Mrs Van Hopper and Frank before Mrs Danvers...
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Post by safira on Feb 20, 2010 15:25:23 GMT -5
By the way, I find it funny that they list Favell (misspelled...), Mrs Van Hopper and Frank before Mrs Danvers... Hm, I guess that´s because the Operettszínház creates an own version again. Maybe they´ve changed the importance of some characters. It wouldn´t be the first time.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Feb 20, 2010 16:03:50 GMT -5
By the way, I find it funny that they list Favell (misspelled...), Mrs Van Hopper and Frank before Mrs Danvers... Hm, I guess that´s because the Operettszínház creates an own version again. Maybe they´ve changed the importance of some characters. It wouldn´t be the first time. I really hope not. Unlike Elisabeth or Mozart!, Rebecca isn't a show that allows those kinds of changes...not without ruining it anyway.
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Post by Valancy on Feb 20, 2010 16:14:56 GMT -5
I doubt they would be able to change it that much - and why should they? Rebecca is the song that's going to be a hit for years. I suppose someone's thinking strangely there. Or maybe they want to bring across some of the actors of those smaller roles, though I still don't see why Mrs Danvers shouldn't also be high on the list. I don't think it will have meaning for the piece, though - I just thought it a funny detail on the cast list.
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Post by safira on Mar 7, 2010 15:42:53 GMT -5
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Mar 7, 2010 18:39:17 GMT -5
If these pieces in the photos are the actual sets and projections I must say I'm amazed! They really look cool! Not at all that crap that Operettszinház normaly has on stage! I specially like the dark staircase
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Post by safira on Mar 8, 2010 13:18:08 GMT -5
Yes, the sets look different to the usual stuff. And they look good. Now I´m even more looking forward to go there. Can´t wait to see it live.
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