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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 24, 2007 12:30:22 GMT -5
Erm.. I've read it in an Austrian musical message board, that they recorded it on the 6th and the 7th June (they said just audio - maybe also a DVD for the cast?). Their source was Wietske van Tongeren Does the Cast have the right of a private DVD? That's not fair! Well if that's true, I must say I'm disapointed...ruining a great musical with dumm aplauses
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Post by exedore on Jun 24, 2007 12:30:56 GMT -5
And SOM is also very expensive (to be polite). I'm even surprised that Marie Antoinette CD just costes almost 60€ (though its a robery) €60....isn't too far off if it's a double album. I paid US$64 for the Japanese Tanz, which was the cost of the CD itself (¥4600), internal shipping inside of Japan, shipping again inside the US, and 3% to cover paypal taxes. The fact of the matter is: Japanese CDs are really darned expensive - a regular pop album is ¥3000 or so (about US$25), so there's not much you can do about it.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 24, 2007 12:36:43 GMT -5
Well...but remember that 60€ is around 65/66 dollars and even though if I buy it trough SOM, I'll have to pay at least plus 6 € (around US$10) for the shiping...and since I do not live in a rich country, I'm not willing to pay so much for shiping and a CD. THOUGH I may buy it if I went to Japan, 'cause it would convert euros directly in yenes. wich is better than converting € in $ and then in yenes.
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Post by Valancy on Jun 24, 2007 14:42:56 GMT -5
I actually like live recordings. I think it's fitting for theatre. I'm not a fan of the cds that seem overly mainipulated or poorly done. An example would be the Essen recording of Elisabeth. I would have loved if they had done a live recording instead. I think the cd poorly showcases the cast. I agree. Or, well, if there's a chance to have a really good-quality studio recording where the actors are excellent, like with Tanz, sure, that's great. But there are many examples of studio recordings not capturing the emotional power and energy of the cast live, as with the Essen recording of Elisabeth - it's a great cast, but somehow the recording is lacking in energy and depth, and the quality of the orchestrations is dull and shallow, I don't know why. I'd much rather have a live recording of that cast, applauses and all. Applauses may be mildly annoying, but I would hardly say they will ruin the recording. They only last for a tiny fraction of the time and the rest of it will be powerful performance of the songs. And getting a complete recording of Rebecca is a wonderful enough thing that I'm certainly not complaining the mere fact that there will be applauses. It may even be interesting to hear the audience reactions, that is a part of the theatre experience. Complete studio recordings of musicals don't happen that often. ALW musicals are a different thing, he's quite rich you know. And Tanz had the financial backing from people like Steinman. I'm not sure why there could be a near-complete recording of Romeo und Julia, though the show was pretty popular, wasn't it? Somehow they could afford it, but can't afford a complete studio recording of Rebecca. If they can't, then I'll be perfectly happy with a live recording.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 24, 2007 15:10:04 GMT -5
Applauses may be mildly annoying, but I would hardly say they will ruin the recording. They only last for a tiny fraction of the time and the rest of it will be powerful performance of the songs. And getting a complete recording of Rebecca is a wonderful enough thing that I'm certainly not complaining the mere fact that there will be applauses. It may even be interesting to hear the audience reactions, that is a part of the theatre experience. Complete studio recordings of musicals don't happen that often. ALW musicals are a different thing, he's quite rich you know. And Tanz had the financial backing from people like Steinman. I'm not sure why there could be a near-complete recording of Romeo und Julia, though the show was pretty popular, wasn't it? Somehow they could afford it, but can't afford a complete studio recording of Rebecca. If they can't, then I'll be perfectly happy with a live recording. As for the aplauses, I think I've made my point clear. And the "audience reactions, that is a part of the theatre experience." I just agree if I'm part of the audience. I loved the reaction of people here in Lisbon, when, in CATS the music memory started. It was breath taking...but in a CD, with no people, not beeing there, I really don't see the point. As for Romeo und Julia I don't know if it was a sucess, and I can't understand if was financed by Presgurvic (since the Russian Album is also a complete recording), but if it was financed by VBW, then I'll not forvige them for spending money in a just reasonable CD like Romeo und Julia, and not doing it with Rebecca that is far far far much better. I don't reject the CD because it IS Rebecca...(for example I didn't buy the live CDs of Elisabeth, with the exeption of the 10th Birthday (I can't recall how to spell Anniversery...is this way? d**n College). There is only a way they can compensate me (ok 2 ways) for the irritating aplauses...they release a DVD or the Sing-Along... then I'll stop complaining ;D
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Post by Valancy on Jun 24, 2007 16:27:03 GMT -5
(I can't recall how to spell Anniversery...is this way? d**n College). It's "anniversary". I personally love the 2005 Elisabeth recording, even if it's just the audio of the DVD - perhaps it would be slightly more enjoyable without applauses, but then again, the performance is much better than the 2004 studio recording, so really, I'll take the completeness and the quality of the performance very happily even if there is applause. I don't find them that hard to ignore. If they bother you too much, that's too bad, but for my part I'm just happy there will be a complete recording of Rebecca to listen to at all.
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 24, 2007 16:38:03 GMT -5
Thank you very much...My mind is so full of Contitutional Laws that I can't even remember how to spell the simplest of things.
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Post by Valjean87 on Jun 24, 2007 18:17:29 GMT -5
And SOM is also very expensive (to be polite). I'm even surprised that Marie Antoinette CD just costes almost 60€ (though its a robery) €60....isn't too far off if it's a double album. I paid US$64 for the Japanese Tanz, which was the cost of the CD itself (¥4600), internal shipping inside of Japan, shipping again inside the US, and 3% to cover paypal taxes. The fact of the matter is: Japanese CDs are really darned expensive - a regular pop album is ¥3000 or so (about US$25), so there's not much you can do about it. This I have to agree. Even Japanese DVDs are expensive(whether its Maki Ichiro's Concert or Takarazuka).
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 24, 2007 18:23:05 GMT -5
Yes DVD's are really expencive, but probably to the Japanese its cheap. I think that we in Europe are the ones that are more afected since Japan is in the oposite side of the world, and the shipping costes are always absurd.
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Post by exedore on Jun 24, 2007 20:50:48 GMT -5
Yes DVD's are really expencive, but probably to the Japanese its cheap. Actually, DVDs are considered very expensive to the Japanese as well, which is why Japan has a thriving secondhand market where buying used means buying new but at 10%+ off. It's incredibly common to see people renting 20+ DVDs/week at the video store just to copy and return, or to see people buy a new limited release, keep the pack-in extras (ie figures, teacups), rip the movie, and resell it on the auctions for half off. If you want an example, though, of how bad CD prices are in Japan, you can find as many stores to rent you CDs as you can to rent you DVDs. The three R's are truly international.
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Post by Valancy on Jun 25, 2007 2:31:32 GMT -5
Thank you very much...My mind is so full of Contitutional Laws that I can't even remember how to spell the simplest of things. You're welcome. It's probably not the easiest word to spell anyway, I just happen to have a brain that absorbs spellings like a sponge. Useful with languages. Japanese CD and DVD prices are frightening. After taking a look at what they cost on SOM, I figured I will be better off not getting all that into the Japanese, considering I can't afford them.
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Post by Milady on Jun 25, 2007 20:38:11 GMT -5
Does the Cast have the right of a private DVD? That's not fair! Oftentimes, there's a DVD made of a production for archival/references purposes, and the VBW definitely does. Elisabeth was recorded at least three times during the original run - once before opening, once with Maya Hakvoort and Paul Kribbe, and once with Maya and Felix Martin just before the final performance. Rebecca has almost certainly been captured on video, either at a dress rehearsal or a preview - that's where the pro-shot clips used in press stories, making of specials, etc. will have come from. Whether the cast gets a copy of the archive DVD is another question altogether. The show is shot primarily for reference, promotional material, and an archive for the theatre/creative team - it's not for public consumption. I don't think the cast is entitled to a copy, but that doesn't mean they don't get one, one way or another. MiladyDeWinter
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Post by Valjean87 on Jun 25, 2007 20:42:10 GMT -5
Yes DVD's are really expencive, but probably to the Japanese its cheap. Actually, DVDs are considered very expensive to the Japanese as well, which is why Japan has a thriving secondhand market where buying used means buying new but at 10%+ off. It's incredibly common to see people renting 20+ DVDs/week at the video store just to copy and return, or to see people buy a new limited release, keep the pack-in extras (ie figures, teacups), rip the movie, and resell it on the auctions for half off. If you want an example, though, of how bad CD prices are in Japan, you can find as many stores to rent you CDs as you can to rent you DVDs. The three R's are truly international. Yes, Japan usually sells used DVDS for half-price(about 40, 60 or 80 Yen is the cheapest for a DVD). VHS are half priced too(thats why some Takarazuka fans starts off with either VHS, a CD or a Skystage Telecast that they recorded).
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Post by Fantasma da Opera on Jun 26, 2007 5:39:09 GMT -5
Does the Cast have the right of a private DVD? That's not fair! Oftentimes, there's a DVD made of a production for archival/references purposes, and the VBW definitely does. Elisabeth was recorded at least three times during the original run - once before opening, once with Maya Hakvoort and Paul Kribbe, and once with Maya and Felix Martin just before the final performance. Rebecca has almost certainly been captured on video, either at a dress rehearsal or a preview - that's where the pro-shot clips used in press stories, making of specials, etc. will have come from. Whether the cast gets a copy of the archive DVD is another question altogether. The show is shot primarily for reference, promotional material, and an archive for the theatre/creative team - it's not for public consumption. I don't think the cast is entitled to a copy, but that doesn't mean they don't get one, one way or another. MiladyDeWinter Hmm I see... I saw in YouTube a profissional film of the 1st Elisabeth with Pia and Else. So maybe they have also a pro-shot of Rebecca...NOW the question is...who do I have to bribe to get a copy of that?? ;D lol
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Post by Cia on Jun 26, 2007 5:59:19 GMT -5
So maybe they have also a pro-shot of Rebecca... They have, they filmed the preview I saw.
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